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    Harald Kautz-Vella​ on 5G and the Wave Salad we are exposed to

    "Governments lie so systematically and cover their arses so tight they have to forever shit through their mouths"

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    Of course what they lie about or simply do not understand is that there is no radiation whatsoever .

    And it should be pointed out that the SUN emits more power when we are exposed in the electromagnetic bands all the way up through ultra-violet . Yet humanity and plants have survived being bombarded by modulated sun (leaves in the trees bristling in the wind while the sun is out , for example ) and humanity has not only survived it has flourished and absolutely needs the energy from the sun in order to survive. The sunlight is millions of times higher strength than 5G bands produce.

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    No one is saying it is 'radiation'.

    It's Electromagnetism .
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    It's Electromagnetism .
    And all EMs radiate . The secret is to know which frequencies are being used and whether they are harmful.

    Thus the longer wave lengths are harmless , typically radio waves , microwaves , infrared waves and light waves , whereas the same is not true for the shorter ultraviolet rays , X-rays and Gamma rays .

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    Electromagnetism is not radiating free electrons in the 'classic' radiation sense. No electrons are leaving their shells. The only valid use of the word radiation in this sense is that the effect is radiating out from a source transmitter.

    The electromagnetic effect is more like a magnetic shaking at whatever frequency is being used. Our cells in our bodies are being "rattled", not invaded by free radicals. What that "shaking" actually does, is unknown and untested, at least not tested in public science. There are multiple cases where it appears that there are quite negative effects of this type of interference by man made electromagnetic energy transmissions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by norman View Post
    Electromagnetism is not radiating free electrons in the 'classic' radiation sense. No electrons are leaving their shells.
    I'm afraid you've got that completely backwards, Norman. Electrons leaving their shells is not radiation but ionization ─ it causes the atom or molecule that has lost some of its electrons to become electrically charged and thus chemically active. Or that is to say, unless the atom in question is too energetic ─ read: too hot ─ to bind to anything at all, in which case you get the state of matter we call plasma.

    You are probably thinking of radioactive decay, but that's an entirely different thing. A radioactive isotope does not only lose electrons, but also protons and neutrons.

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    The only valid use of the word radiation in this sense is that the effect is radiating out from a source transmitter.
    Yes, and that is what is called radiation by all scientific definitions. All electromagnetism ─ including visible light ─ is radiation.

    Radiation is made up of photons, not electrons. Different beastie.

    Certain wavelengths ─ or if you will, frequencies, because frequency times wavelength always equals the speed of light in a vacuum ─ are considered harmful because they cause ionization within living tissue. Ultraviolet light can do this, and it is one of the primary causes of skin cancer.

    The ozone layer in the upper atmosphere ─ ozone (O3) is a molecule comprised of three oxygen atoms, rather than two (O2), as in the oxygen that we breathe ─ filters out most of the harmful ultraviolet radiation, but for a long time there was "a hole in the ozone layer", or scientifically more correctly put, a lower concentration of ozone above a large part of the southern hemisphere. That's why one in three Australians develops skin cancer. The good news is that the ozone layer has by now managed to almost completely repair itself again.

    Either way, high doses of X-ray emissions are also known to cause ionization, and likewise for gamma rays. They strip electrons away from atoms and molecules through the process of ablation rather than warming, courtesy of the high frequencies (and thus high-energy state) of this type of radiation.

    So it is not the ionization itself that would be the radiation ─ again: what you were talking about is radioactive decay, which is quite a different thing ─ but ionization can be the result of bombardment with radiation, and ionization within living tissue can damage the DNA and thus cause a malignant cell mutation. And that is what we call cancer.

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    The electromagnetic effect is more like a magnetic shaking at whatever frequency is being used. Our cells in our bodies are being "rattled", not invaded by free radicals.
    Free radicals have nothing to do with radiation. That's an entirely different concept.

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    What that "shaking" actually does, is unknown and untested, at least not tested in public science.
    Oh, but it is very well known what it does, or did you think that the manufacturers of microwave ovens don't know how their apparatuses actually warm up food?

    Bombardment with microwaves causes the exposed matter to start resonating at a higher frequency, and thus, to heat up. That's all there is to it, although very high doses of microwave radiation may excite the bombarded surface to such an extent that ionization may occur, when some of the electrons get shaken out of their shell.

    But it all depends on the frequency of the microwave radiation. High-frequency radiation is more likely to cause ionization ─ primarily through ablation ─ than low-frequency radiation. Or to put it a bit more visually, if low-frequency radiation causes ionization, then it's because it shakes things until they break, whereas when high-frequency radiation causes ionization, it's because it shears the electrons straight off.

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    There are multiple cases where it appears that there are quite negative effects of this type of interference by man made electromagnetic energy transmissions.
    Microwaves do not necessarily cause ionization ─ it depends on their intensity and frequency; see above ─ but they do indeed excite atoms and molecules, causing these atoms and molecules to resonate at higher frequencies, and thus, causing them to heat up. And we are indeed all being flooded with microwave radiation all of the time, both from natural sources such as the sun and other cosmic phenomena, and from man-made sources such as microwave ovens, cell towers and cellphones, WiFi installations, et al.

    Whether or not this is harmful to our health is still a contentious issue. Certain research seems to indicate that prolonged exposure to the man-made microwave sources would be ─ due to the power factor and the exposure time ─ but the extent to which it would be harmful is highly debatable. In addition to that, the whole hype around 5G within this so-called "alternative community" is yet another knee-jerk frenzy from people who don't understand what it is and how it works.

    The fact that 5G networks will be using artificial intelligence to provide what is called QoS ("quality of service") in computer network jargon, has already given rise to loads of completely unsubstantiated and, quite frankly, embarrassing conspiracy theories ─ in part also because people generally equally don't understand what artificial intelligence is and how it works.
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    And all that is the reason why I'm not talking about "radiation".

    As someone just said, up above here, the sun blasts us with a hell of a lot of stuff. What the sun doesn't do is select a single frequency that "rattles" us. The radiation from the sun is effectively white noise. Apart from the probability that some of that stuff has bad effects for other reasons, the full spectrum noise of it from the sun doesn't set up a resonance matching situation within living cells, or whatever. Only a single specific frequency will do that. Man made signals are exactly that.

    Perhaps, if we want to be satirical about it, we should wish that "they" bombard us with so many different bloody carrier waves that it becomes white noise again. Personally, I'm not hanging on for that. I'm for dialing it all back to silence and await a far healthier way to do the comms.
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